Email Radio: Luke Glasner’s five favourite email marketing metrics

[tweetmeme source= “getintheinbox” only_single=false]Luke Stat-Walker Glasner (now a qualified Jedi Master of Stats) properly annihilated Email Radio a week or so ago with his awesome metrics action. I know I often do a write up but I’ve listened to it 3 times now and I can’t do it the justice that Luke himself has.

I do intend to really get to grips with it and make a detailed account of how I will use it. Also I had my guys at Pure360 listen to it to help them get more budget.

Basically on the back of Mark Brownlow’s statement that email is not sexy enough to get the budget from the big boys, they don’t need to hear about open rates and clicks, they want to know if it is profitable.

Luke picks it right up where it left off and tells us how to connect with the bosses and get the internal recognition we need to get budget. We prove profit and we get budget..

Everyone who does email marketing should read this post.

Tuesday we had the pleasure of welcoming email marketing metrics Jedi Luke Glasner of Glasner Consulting to eMail Radio. It was a fantastic show which has gotten raves from those lucky enough to catch it live! If you missed it, you can check the podcast out here! We asked Luke about his five favourite metrics and he’s obliged with this post.

There are many metrics worth tracking in email from average revenues to spam complaints, but which are the ones you need to track for your programs?  Here are five metrics that I track for my program’s success that you can use in yours.

Read more at www.theemailguide.com

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EmailRadio: Gmail Priority Inbox & Social Email

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As I write this I realise, I haven’t written anything since this time last week – I’m turning into the email radio journalist 😐 Not really, I’ve put a few things on Pure360‘s blog and there are more to come, I’ll link to them soon enough, anyway…

This week’s Email Radio was meant to be all about the effects of social media with and on email marketing, unfortunately we couldn’t kick right in because of today’s trending news about Gmail’s Priority Inbox.
The guys briefly discussed it with a short description of what it does; there are plenty of posts about it, mine should be on the Pure360 resource pages tomorrow although I’m not sue if it’ll be a blog or an insight.
The chat room for the first 5 mins or so was busy with it too. How it affects email marketing, if at all:

  • LGlasner: How do clicks factor into that rating system? What if I do reply but often click in the marketing messages?
  • Dylan Boyd: Same note what will happen when Google starts making decisions for you and you start missing emails that you want? Will the JUNK folder be opened more in order to find them? Will inbox scrolling happen more?
  • fourpster: Because Google were trialling that auto-image load on emails that you have replied to twice, I think one reply will carry more than one click.
  • Dylan Boyd: So what % of real estate or concern will we give this new education in gmail? and will smart marketers only tell gmail users or “blast to all” and educate across the board?
  • remybergsma: Dylan: on this new GMail feature – I think it will be gradual, and most email marketers don’t know how to respond to it, yet.
  • Jeff: priority email: marketers and email marketers will need to do more to educate, teach the user and set the expectations as much and as soon as poss.


Then we plugged into DJ Waldow from Blue Sky Factory for his social & email focus which is called SWYN (pr. swinn) which stands for Share With Your Network: sherlock 🙂

Initially we were talked through the share tracking capabilities, which can track individual shares from email recipients; the reporting can then show how many people that were not on your list saw the content and how many potential subscribers you could have. Also his can show the people on your list who share the most and who are the most influential.

I didn’t get to find out if the tracking was able to report on the difference between people who share the most content, ie: frequency of share OR the people who get the most clicks: quality of share. For instance someone might share every email they get but only 3 clicks per share; someone else might only share one in 5 emails but they might get 20 clicks every time; which one’s more influential?

Either way, you do get an idea of who your fans and ambassadors are, however you might qualify them. These are the people who should then retarget with rewards and offers as they can do the most marketing for you.

Essentially, every time someone shares from your email, a new bit.ly link is created and saved against that email campaign and the recipient’s email address – this way you can see who shared what and how many clicks each person’s share got. In a more advanced level you could scour twitter’s live feed for repeats of it to see who retweeted but I believe API access to twitter at that level is expensive and it is how twitter pays the bills, so you’ve have to parse it manually and may not be worth the effort or maybe it is?

DJ suggested offering incentives to follow and like etc.

I’m always wary of incentivised sign-ups because people who want something for nothing are not always valuable and I’d rather reward instead of incentivise. Of course with social, there is less to lose than with email. When there are incentives to sign-up to an email list, people will not always give you their best email address, or their own email address if it stands between them and a freebie – definitely worth watching out for – if you are tempted to do an incentive for newsletter sign-up do make sure you do a double opt-in.

Of course as the host rightly stated, you don’t always have to give away a car to generate a response, you can be slight like a bagel coupon as DJ suggested.

DJ then spoke about how people are only half doing the social thing; asking people to follow them and become fans but when someone clicks through and gets there only to find that the brand hasn’t update their status for two months – what’s the point in all of that effort when it has no follow through?

DJ said that some people can easily get over whelmed by the amount of work they perceive they need to do but it’s not that much work. It’s ok to only update once a day, you don’t need to make it a full time time job.

Our host chipped in with: “If you’re running a bakery, you’d better have fresh bread every day” – fair point!

DJ also felt it important to make the comparison between ‘like this’ and ‘like us’. You can ask people to share your content for what you are offering in each bit of content or to tell people to follow your brand because you are worth staying in touch with.
Jeff was also on the phone and made an interesting point which, he declared may be old school but doubted he was the only person with the same point of view: Some people are of the opinion that there is an exclusivity and a privilege that comes with being on certain lists. The level of trust that they have given to the sender puts them in a kind of exclusive club and SWYN activity takes that away from the list, muddies the water so to speak. Jeff asked if there was anyway to then keep that subscriber list focussed.

DJ countered with the question of what the goal of the email campaign was in the first place? What was the end goal? If it was to sell a product, get people to register for an event or simply sign-up for another newsletter, surely SWYN would get that in front of even more people and make you more money or get more registrations, does it really matter where is comes from?

When I think about the point of view where there is that level of exclusivity of being on that list, that exclusivity is made by the recipients; unless there is some kind of check the list manager does on the people who sign-up to allow them on or unless there is no sign-up form and it’s invitation only.

The perspective I was left with was a level of pretentiousness about being on that list. People who would be on a list with that kind of exclusivity like this would be on it to know things that others don’t so they can be in the know, get an advantage, tell others and appear knowledgeable etc. These kinds of people would not share anyway. The kind of people who would pay for content because it is exclusive.

To be honest, I can see no in between: either you let anyone who wants on the list or you close it – much like Dylan Boyd protecting his tweets and wanting to approve anyone who he shares his tweets with. That is a closed list, Dylan chooses who to allow on and I doubt he kicked Mark Brownlow off for retweeting him the other day and I do know he has approved me getintheinbox and he hasn’t approved my application as fourpster but that is his prerogative. I won’t let list owners friend captain inbox on facebook. I’m only friends with people I’ve know or have know socially in facebook, there’s nothing wrong with that but I believe you have cannot have your cake and eat it – or kick the gift horse in the teeth.
Jeff also put forward the suggestion that SWYN may not build a quality list. It is a fair point, you can spend a lot of time making sure you have a list of people who stay emotionally subscribed to your content and a share would grow your list from one good recommendation but because of the reasons why they got to the list, these new people will not give the engagement you want or are used to. What should you do? Change your style of writing, change the way you deliver you product to suit the new ‘fickle masses’? I say No you shouldn’t. Don’t change a thing, if your sign-up and welcome process is worth any salt you’ll rid yourself of the chaff on the way through and then by doing your usual check for emotional unsubscribes and taking them out for different targeting, you should be able to find the people who are dragging down your open and click rates.

Peter chirped in to add “people know their own network, it’s the exposure that you would not normally to people who might not always want it”.
Now this is the point of it all: Content aggregation! Thank you Peter.

Content aggregation is one of the strengths of social media, each person tends to know their network – they are connected because they are alike somehow. People rely on their network to aggregate content for them.

I follow the Mark Brownlow on twitter, not because he consistently amuses me with his flippant yet insightful remarks on life but because he does a load of research on email marketing, reads everything that everyone else writes, does his own testing and only publishes what he think is relevant. Mark aggregates content for me so I follow him because I know it’ll always be interesting – including the occasional flippant yet insightful remarks on life 🙂

I also don’t think that you will lose out on the exclusivity from the list through SWYN. Yes, you may get more people jumping on the incentives shared through SWYN and not signing up for your emails but If you content is consistently good they will of course sign-up because they will want to get the good stuff directly and not wait for a retweet or FB-like.

DJ made the point, very well that there is a chance that the subscriber list’s privileges are not as special as they used to be but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Our Host added support by stating that lines are blurry now in on-line media; people don’t always remember the source just the content and the source crosses over between their morning commuter paper, their social network feed and their inbox.

It’s been this way between TV and print for a long time now, only lately with the same content being available on the internet and viewed through mobile devices are these old and new lines crossing over as one – just content.


Dylan Boyd asked in the chat room: Has anyone been thinking about what impact or no impact SWYN has on people on mobild device inboxes?
Does it work there? Are people using the social sharing or engagement tools when they read on mobile devces? Where does sharing content happen most?

DJ answered that they don’t know if it is mobile or desktop at the moment. It probably is too inconvenient to SWYN on a mobile compared to a PC, maybe because of the multiple logins.

Most people agreed that due to the inability to move between apps on iphones, the level of SWYN possible for iphone users is not possible at the level we’d like. Although there was a consensus that Android can handle it.
Finally DJ made reference to his wife in a very important point that so many marketers can miss due to their focussed perspective: His wife was constantly hitting spam on emails from a brand she did not like, even though she had signed up to them a while back. On asking why she informed him that it is because she hates them and they will never have her business, she does not want them in her inbox and consequently always marks them as spam.
In relation to email and brand trust and experience: even if it is not spam, people can mark email as spam because of their dislike of the brand not because the sender has permission to send.

Whilst eventually DJ’s wife’s junk filter on her personal inbox will always send one brand’s email to junk, their sending reputation could be negatively affected but not through bad practice, surely that’s unfair.
We know that, we’re in the game but recipients don’t care to even find out the cause and effect. The brand has done them harm in some way, so people take the negative one click route. Of course hitting unsubscribe would end the emails a lot quicker but it doesn’t feel as good whether you know the consequences or not.
I say just don’t piss people off in any way – try to make everyone a fan if you can!
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To summarise, another awesome Email Radio show, that chat room wasn’t quite as lively as it had been but as usual there was one star – the last few weeks it was Dennis Dayman cracking jokes and this week it was Dylan Boyd asking insightful questions whilst doing client work at the same time.

Net week we have two more heavy weights: (Dr.) Mark Brownlow and Bill McCloskey – who’s Clickz photo makes him look like Dick Van Dyke in Diagnosis Murder – that’s not supposed to be an insult by the way, it just does, it might be the black and white, his twitter photo doesn’t? 🙂

EmailRadio: The Email Brain Trust all in one place

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Last night (18:00 UK time) I plugged into the first instalment of EmailRadio.

To be honest, the days running up to it, I’d had my reservations about it, but right out of the box it was bang on!
Really well organised, very relaxed & personable presenting and the interviews were all really intriguing.

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Obviously both guests, Stephanie Miller and John Caldwell, were well practised at seminars etc. so the radio show was easy and it was great to put a voice to the face.
You know how when you read something written by someone you know, your brain can make it sound like they’re saying it in your head – hopefully not just me :-/
I’ll be reading their tweets a posts a little differently now, in a good way 🙂

The player they were using was Blog Talk Radio.
They had a cheeky little chat box under the player where everyone who was listening could type stuff. I went in as fourpster rather than Captain Inbox due to it being me rather than a comedy blog alias. Stephanie Miller was in and out of there as she was interacting with the call-ins alongside John Caldwell.

Initially Stephanie took the first call-in by taking the standard Return Path question: “What does Return Path actual do for all of that Money”. I’ve seen it asked about four times and I’ve asked it twice, a long time ago once on-line & once in person.
Stephanie must have been asked this hundreds of times and even though they caller was blatantly emotionally connected to their opinion, if you get what I mean, she handled it admirably without even a tiny stutter – nice action!

Then John came on and Stephanie was nice enough to stay on too. Very cool bit of banter between the two actually. John said his bit about permission and that buying lists are bad. The Email Guide chaps added a mention of their EMAPP and all agreed that buying lists is bad for everyone. The chat then ensued with callers playing devil’s advocate to the short term benefits of buying lists and that it’s not illegal and John and Stephanie evenly pointing out the consequences…
…Too right, in my opinion, we’ve got get this ‘no bought lists’ thing to a point so that making it the law won’t make a dent because it’ll already be the done thing!

Mean while in the chat room, loads of people I’ve seen on t’internet & retweeted were appearing, and then The Email Guide Co-host pops in and types “Wow, look at everyone here, it’s the Email Brain Trust“.
I doubt I was the target of that but it was great to be there with those people – even though it was all on-line in chat room.

Got a couple of new fourpster twitter followers too: @allwebemail & @jvanrijn cheers chaps.
And got a little hello from the legend of Mark Brownlow – he’s quite the celebrity but so humble with it 🙂

Additionally Al Iverson was recommended as a good person to follow in Twitter by John.

I think on the basis of it being the first one and providing the guests keep coming, which I don’t doubt, this could make itself the hub of ongoing email discussion and be very cool.

The chat-room tends to fade away once the show stops, unsurprisingly – I wonder if there is a place that could follow on certain things? Maybe I’ve finally thought of a use for Google Wave?

Anyway, it was awesome, the content was really good, the people were great and I’m looking forward to the next instalment.

Ideally I could organise a Post Email Radio debrief in a local pub, might take a bit of time for that though, I’m a bit of an email geek, I wonder if 4 people would be enough to make the Brighton Email Brain Trust?

If you missed that last one, you can download it from the EmailRadio page on the TheEmailGuide – just scroll down to the “eMail Radio MP3 Archives” bit. I think it might be on iTunes but I haven’t checked – it would make a decent pod cast set.